Friday, February 25, 2011

Ten Thousand Maniacs, and by "maniacs" I mean "comments."

This blog hit a little milestone last night: someone posted the 10,000th comment here. (It was Natasha, actually.) Which means, of course, that if I had a dong for every comment posted here, I could be carrying this lovely 10,000 dong bill in my wallet. In South Vietnam. In 1975.

It also means that this blog is stirring up a lot of discussion. When I first started this blog, most of the comments came from angry manosphere snipers, many of them anonymous. There were also a relative handful of commenters who actually liked what this blog was doing, and who were willing to take on the Army of Doucheness. This relative handful has turned into a nice little community. I hope I can keep you all entertained and/or outraged enough to stick around.

We're also only a few thousand hits -- two or three days -- away from another milestone: a quarter of a million page views. Which is really kind of awesome.

Yet I know we could easily reach twice as many readers; maybe five times, maybe even ten. But I kind of need your help for that. Getting this blog linked to -- on Reddit, on Twitter, on Facebook, on other blogs, even in comments on other blogs -- can dramatically increase the number of visitors on any given day. And every time this blog reaches new readers, some stick around.

So to those of you who have been Tweeting and Redditing (and commenting about, and StumbleUpon-ing) Man Boobz, I thank you. Seriously. Please do it more, more, more! And if you haven't yet, and you like this blog, please start! The little buttons on the bottom of each post make it pretty straightforward.  (If you post it on Reddit, send me a link or post it in a comment and I'll go vote the submission up.)

One more thing: T-shirts, after a long delay on my part, are coming! (And coffee mugs, and stickers, and who knows what else.) Not immediately, but pretty soon, with the generous artistic assistance of Shaenon and JohnnyKaje. The first two: "we hunted the mammoth to feed you" and "underneath that fun cupcake is a MONSTER." My plan is to sell some of them at cost, and others for $5 or $10 above cost, with the profits going 100% to a well-run, appropriate charity. Something like that. Still working out the details. If you have thoughts about a good charity, let me know.

So anyway, that's the Man Boobz news. Discuss!

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43 comments:

  1. Congratulations!

    My charity suggestion would be a men's domestic violence shelter or a prostate cancer research fund to show your detractors what a vicious bunch of man-haters we feminists aren't. 'Everyman' is a reputable UK charity focusing on male cancers, but your readership might prefer a US or international charity.

    Ooh! This gives me an idea! Have you heard of MO-vember, when men grow sponsored moustaches for men's health charities? How about a bunch of feminists doing a sponsored leg hair growing? It would annoy all the right people in a good cause.

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  2. Congrats David.

    I've shared this blog with all my online friends. It's become a must stop on my daily rounds of the internets.

    Can't wait for the t-shirts! Heck - I might need a new coffee mug for work. LOL.

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  3. Oh - and I'm all for the idea Miss Prism has in regards to choice of charities.

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  4. G'job, David. Enjoy your ten thousand dongs.

    My charity suggestion would be a men's domestic violence shelter or a prostate cancer research fund to show your detractors what a vicious bunch of man-haters we feminists aren't. 'Everyman' is a reputable UK charity focusing on male cancers, but your readership might prefer a US or international charity.

    Let me channel the second wave for a second here: Men's issues get enough attention/money in our society. Your suggestion is basically to give in to MRA whining that men aren't the sole focus of attention anymore, and in the process legitimize that whining.

    David: If it were me I'd go with ACCION, which is a third-world microfinance charity, but it actually puts a significant amount of effort into financially empowering women specifically, so it would be kind of fitting. But that's me.

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  5. How about sending it just to domestic violence shelters in general? That way you can say that you are helping men, so they can quit their whining, but it also helps women

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  6. "...I hope I can keep you all entertained and/or outraged enough to stick around..."

    Your outrages are legion.

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  7. I'm thinking Planned Parenthood might be a good charity for this.

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  8. @triplanetary--


    "Men's issues get enough attention/money in our society."

    How small minded and hateful.

    @David,

    If you are going to give something to charity, may I suggest that something gender neutral might be in your best interests? Or perhaps consider making it privately, without publishing it? No matter what you do here, you're going to take shit...I kinda feel for you actually.

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  9. "Men's issues get enough attention/money in our society."

    How small minded and hateful.


    No, it's a recognition of reality. I'm all for men's issues and women's issues getting equal attention, but in our present social atmosphere, men's issues get far more.

    If you are going to give something to charity, may I suggest that something gender neutral might be in your best interests?

    Well, he already suggested Planned Parenthood. PP provides sexual health services to both men and women.

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  10. PP works for me. I won't quibble.

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  11. I like the idea of giving it to PP

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  12. Congratulations, David. Thanks for everything!

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  13. I second PP. Gender neutral, and they need all the support they can get.

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  14. Thanks for a great blog.

    Also, you could do an equal amount of money to both an organization specifically meant to help men and one meant to help women. Or give about 25% more (whatever the amount of difference in pay that men get compared to women) to the charity for women? Personally, though, I think the best charity would have to do with domestic violence since the whole blog is about violence - not just physical, but emotional too.

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  15. triplanetary the misandrist bigot said:

    "Let me channel the second wave for a second here: Men's issues get enough attention/money in our society"

    LOL

    Does this equal getting less funds for men's health?

    I guess that's equality in a feminist world. As long as men are not on top, it's all ok.

    "our suggestion is basically to give in to MRA whining that men aren't the sole focus of attention anymore"

    When were er ever the sole focus on attention?

    Give some examples please.

    Briget Said:

    How about sending it just to domestic violence shelters in general? That way you can say that you are helping men, so they can quit their whining, but it also helps women

    Spoken from a true bigot! Yes, how dare men whine about getting less help compared to women in DV. If it was the other way around, this whining would magically become validated.

    And of course, it's okay for a movement that's in favour of women to whine 24/7 365 days a year for decades. But not ok for men to whine about male issues. Task task

    triplanetary the misandrist bigot also said:

    "I'm all for men's issues and women's issues getting equal attention, but in our present social atmosphere, men's issues get far more."

    So you are saying that male DV and rape victims get more attention than female victims? ROFL

    It's funny because men males complain about male issues, most of the time, they get belittled and told to man-up and stop been whining pussies.

    Women hardly or never face any such intimidation when they complain about female issues. Women can complain at any given time and place and it will be acceptable.

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  16. You're right, women who attempt to exercise their rights never face intimidation...

    http://i52.tinypic.com/ogja04.jpg

    Oh, right.

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  17. It's funny because men males complain about male issues, most of the time, they get belittled and told to man-up and stop been whining pussies.

    Women hardly or never face any such intimidation when they complain about female issues. Women can complain at any given time and place and it will be acceptable.


    I'm thinking that if being made fun of--on the internet, no less--for being a whiner is your idea of intimidation, then maybe you really are a whiner.

    FWIW, I would never call you a pussy, as pussies are generally quite pleasant.

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  18. FWIW, I would never call you a pussy, as pussies are generally quite pleasant.

    You mean, like... cats or vaginas?

    Actually there's no point answering, because they're both pleasant. I like stroking their hair. Cats, I mean.

    Also vaginas.

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  19. > I'm thinking that if being made fun of--on the internet, no less--for being a whiner is your idea of intimidation, then you really are a whiner.

    FTFY

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  20. I'm one of the maniacs.
    So I'm trying to post my first comment here with my new account. My other one was flagged off YouTube and soo...what they do is disable the whole google account, I have no idea why. So my blog and name for commenting here, gone... OK so anyway... you'll see who I am because I have the same pic and similar screen name.

    This blog has helped me though some hard times, it's actually emotionally painful to be faced with such abusive thinking so far from reality. It's the pain of racism, really, so this blog of course is like The Daily Show after being gaslit by rethuglicans, (or whoever anymore, if you know what I mean), thanks for the rally to restore sanity that I find here in this sanctuary.

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  21. nick, I never said the victims had no right to complain. They have EVERY single right to complain. As someone who is a victim of domestic violence I would never belittle anybody who has gone through that. I was actually talking about you and wytch who complain about everything we do saying that it is never good enough. Rereading my comment I realize that my wording made it seem otherwise and for that I apologize. Nobody deserves to be the victim of DV and any victim of such a terrible crime needs our full support.

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  22. I'm still pulling for the "Bad Boy Cock Carousel" t-shirt.

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  23. Angry manosphere snipers? What kind of victimhood-obsessed hyperbole is this? You ADVERTISED this blog in the manosphere and I think you knew full well what the results would be, although I also think you were disappointed at how civil the comments were on the whole and at the lack of death threats and other things that could make you look like a martyr. You got the attention you wanted, now stop whining about it. If you keep being a good little sycophant, Amanda Marcotte just might let you shine her shoes.

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  24. Let me channel the second wave for a second here: Men's issues get enough attention/money in our society.

    Can you back up that statement with a 100% accurate source that will stand up against any and all scrutiny, or did you just pull it out of your ass? Note that the false dichotomy in the preceding sentence was intentional and ironic.

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  25. Cold, I posted a tiny handful of comments on MRA sites. I was actually surprised by the reaction. You think I wanted to get death threats? You're fucking twisted.

    Also, you were part of an organized group of MGTOW guys who came here to specifically harass this blog. I've never posted a comment advertising this blog on any of the MGTOW forums.

    This blog was originally intended to be a critique of the MRM. But I was sort of blown away with the amount of full-on misogyny and hatred I found -- on MRA and MGTOW websites, and in the comments here -- that I shifted the focus to misogyny.

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  26. "I'm thinking that if being made fun of--on the internet, no less--for being a whiner is your idea of intimidation, then maybe you really are a whiner."

    If I was, I would be complaining as much as feminists. I think many to most feminists probably complain 10 to a 100 times more than me. In fact, feminists would be the biggest complainers in the whole world. No other movement or cause has complained as much as feminism, not even close. With this fact, it’s totally ironic when a feminist calls a man a whiner.

    The only complaining I really do is on this blog as I react towards feminists. There are not many places where feminist spaces actually allow a person with an opposing opinion against feminism. I really don’t bother looking for other feminist spaces that allows true freedom of speech.

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  27. Complain all you want, Nick. Be my guest. But realize that mocking you for it in no way amounts to intimidation.

    And the "nuh uh, feminists do it more!" shtick is really getting old.

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  28. "I never said the victims had no right to complain."

    As you admitted, your wording can imply it, but you've corrected yourself, so as far as I'm concerned, the matter is done, with you. The problem is people like TriP, who seem to think men are already getting "far more" attention than they deserve, and not a single one of you have spoken out against this line of thinking. He clearly won't hear it from us, as simply speaking on behalf of men without first prostrating ourselves to feminism makes us misogynists and sexual deviates in his mind, and he likely just glances over when people like yourself makes comments such as "Nobody deserves to be the victim of DV and any victim of such a terrible crime needs our full support.". He needs to be confronted on his misandry, and this is something David regularly calls MRA's to do. As such, I am calling for David and his posters to do the same.

    Tri's belief that men are receiving the attention and funding they need (and then some) contradicts with facts of life, such as the utter lack of men's abuse refuge's, prostate cancer getting much less then half (I've run across some budget reports that suggest a difference of 10 times the funding) the research funding of breast cancer despite about equal instance and fatality rates, and next to no promotional funding, men getting shut out of their children's lives (ether by the mothers, the courts or children's services who think foster care is a better option then biological fathers, for no reason other then he's male), men not having a men's minister as an egalitarian compliment to the various women's ministers (this applies to virtually every western nation out there) despite the vast majority of politician's being very much like Tri and David, IE, not receptive to men's issues if there is a women's issue to deal with first(and I'm sure feminism will always make sure there is a woman's issue). And men falling behind in education (from kindergarten up)Examples; Obama and Biden.

    Men do have issues. they are the flip side to the gender role issues women have been fighting against (women needed to fight to be part of the workforce, men are fighting to be part of the family).

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  29. You think I wanted to get death threats? You're fucking twisted.

    Yes, I think you wanted anything to make you look like a good white knight for the feminists. I don't think you wanted such threats to be carried out, but I think you also know that you have a better chance of winning the lottery than of having an Internet death threat actually carried out against you.

    Also, you were part of an organized group of MGTOW guys who came here to specifically harass this blog.

    Oh you mean the "old-fashioned cluebatting team"? Cluebatting isn't exactly harassment, you know, even if it feels like it because you don't want to accept the truth.

    This blog was originally intended to be a critique of the MRM. But I was sort of blown away with the amount of full-on misogyny and hatred I found -- on MRA and MGTOW websites, and in the comments here -- that I shifted the focus to misogyny.

    O rly? Then how come in your very first post you wrote:

    I'll round up assorted examples of misogyny, mendacity and just plain stupidity from MRA's online and off.

    So actually you were expecting from the very beginning to find "misogyny" and of course you would, since you apparently define it as anyone pointing out anything negative about women instead of sticking their heads in the sand and pretending that women are perfect little angels and oppressed victims of evil men. If I defined anyone who was dissatisfied in any way with the way my country was governed as being "anti-government" then I would have a really easy time finding examples of "anti-government" sentiment now, wouldn't I?

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  30. TriP is strangely silent when asked for a source to back up his claim that mens' issues get "far more" attention than womens' issues, isn't he? I won't hold my breath.

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  31. Men do have issues. they are the flip side to the gender role issues women have been fighting against (women needed to fight to be part of the workforce, men are fighting to be part of the family).

    If this is how you feel, you should get on board with us feminists, since we're busily fighting the patriarchy that created our society's current family structure in the first place.

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  32. You'd be surprised at how many MRAs used to be on board with you feminists until we saw your true colors. Hell, Warren Farrell used to be on the NOW board of directors.

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  33. NOW, a very prominent feminist organization, actively opposes any attempt for family reform that gives anything to fathers. As does the Women's bar association. They actively oppose a rebuttable presumption of Shared parenting. They oppose any reform that lightens the heavy hand of child support collections that often bankrupt and send men homeless in this recession (and in fact, have repeatedly tried to increase child support obligations. Remember, all those figures showing women living in poverty don't include the plethora of men living homeless... IE, well bellow poverty). they also oppose any attempts to make sure interference with court ordered access have consequences.

    Then there are feminists like Harriet Harman who oppose men even getting access to parental leave (and UK feminists wonder why women are always stuck with the kids?).

    No, Feminists, prominent feminists, are not about equality and breaking down gender roles unless it is beneficial to women. And the current gender roles regarding children are too beneficial to women right now. I'd be honestly surprised if you could show me even a single thing feminists have called for that benefited men without first benefiting women more, let alone something that calls for women to give up their beneficial gender roles in the name of equality.

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  34. Cold, except that he wasn't. He was on the board of a local chapter of NOW for 3 years, about 40 years ago, and he still won't shut up about it (and always seems to phrase it so that people will think he was on the national NOW board.). Every MRA I've ever seen bring up this topics always manages to exaggerate what he did; the last guy who brought it up thought Farrell had been the president of NOW.

    (I'm not even going to bring up Farrell's incest research on the 70s and his, er, rather unusual opinions on the subject.)

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  35. Oh, and Cold, I'm not even going to bother with rese of the bullshit you posted, but, yes, when I set out to write about the MRM I expected to find misogyny, considering that I'd been reading about the MRM for several years and had seen plenty at that point. I just hadn't realized how completely omnipresent and overwhelming it would be once I started digging deeper into it online.

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  36. Yeah, I've read mainstream news articles profiling Warren Farrel, and they all love to harp on how he used to be a feminist but now he's a men's rights activist. It's like those fundie Christians who used to be atheists or agnostics and won't shut up about it because they think it gives them cred. Of course those same people never think that the fact that I used to be Christian and am now atheist gives me equal cred; it just means I'm mad at God. :P

    Anyway, anyone who's read Susan Faludi's The Terror Dream knows that the mainstream media has a shockingly strong anti-feminism inclination that they express whenever they get the opportunity.

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  37. It would be interesting if Kratch's post are debated.

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  38. Ok, I did some digging and yes it turns out that Warren Farrell was only on a local NOW chapter's board of directors. Which chapter was it? Bumfuck Alabama? Middle-of-nowhere Alaska? Nope, it was actually the New York City chapter. That's right, New York City, the most populated city in the US and the largest chapter of NOW. Of course you left that part out, thus phrasing it so that people would think he was only on the board of directors of some minor chapter. Isn't downplaying what someone did just as dishonest as exaggerating, even even more so if you actually KNEW that he was on the board of the New York City chapter?

    It's not at all like being a former atheist or agnostic since those are not ideologies. You fail at anologies, TriP, just as badly as you fail at providing actual sources for your claims. I guess you should stick to refuting sources since it is the only thing you do remotely well, and see if you can top your high score of 9.5%(4 out of 42 quotes refuted).

    The fact of the matter is that many MRAs have been formerly involved with feminism to varying degrees and left in disgust after seeing their true colors. So, you can spare us your "you should get on board with us feminists" and "patriarchy hurts men too" bullshit. We know how much feminists really care about men, and we know that feminism has hurt men more than patriarchy ever did. You might temporarily fool a few confused young men into joining your ranks, but feminists themselves are probably the second largest source of MRA recruits after the legal system.

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  39. I'm not even going to bother with rese of the bullshit you posted

    Run David, run!

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  40. Cold: Yes, Farrell was on the board of the NYC chapter, as I've mentioned here the last time this issue came up:

    http://www.manboobz.com/2011/01/spearhead-you-dont-have-to-be-crazy-to.html?showComment=1296133834747#c6089743303567933942

    And as for the debate, Elam was being an ass, and using his control over the venue of the debate (his blog) to his own advantage.

    I actually did offer a final response to Elam's final piece, showing that it's main argument was based on an absurd and incorrect reading of an important research paper.

    When I posted a link to my final piece on his site, he deleted it. And instead of acknowledging his huge mistake in his last piece he's offered denials and excuses.

    Here's my piece refuting him, and here's the comment he made after deleting my link to it.

    Paul Elam: Likes talking big to his sycophants, not so good at honest debate.

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  41. Here is something that is a bit off topic but I think might be a good way to share the information. There is a movement to help grieving parents get time off for them to cope with the loss of a child. This article outlines what is going on with it and it may be something to try to help out with.

    Just something I think everyone can get on board with-there is also a support site for grieving fathers.

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