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I'm also going to be posting here too, of course, though my posts may be a little on the short side.
Thursday, March 24, 2011
I'm guest blogging on Feministe
I'm also going to be posting here too, of course, though my posts may be a little on the short side.
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Shame on you, David, posting a photo from the welfare-statist, commie-infested, anarcho-dandyist 1930s. It was the low point of manliness in this nation's history. Thank God for a world war which cleansed us of all that.
ReplyDeleteAwesomesauce! Congrats! *goes to read*
ReplyDeleteAre you sure you won't be getting a Flogging on Bemeniste?
ReplyDeleteyah! It'll be good to see how some of them respond to the vitriol over here
ReplyDeleteI used to like reading Feministe a lot until every comments section turned into a big derail about "ableism" because the writer used the word "lame" or "moron" or some other word that hasn't been used to refer to disability in a thousand (exaggeration) years.
ReplyDeleteSo I hope that doesn't happen to ... oh wait. It already started.
Anarcho-dandyist = <3
ReplyDeletewhat exactly is an anarcho dandyist?
ReplyDeleteFeminists, would you be willing to skim this news article and answer whether this situation would exist without feminism? I certainly have been forced to read feminist texts* from elementary all the way through college, so a voluntary perusal of one brief article should not be too much to ask.
ReplyDeleteI look forward to your courteous and insightful responses.
* Such as excerpts from Andrea Dworkin's "Feminist Mystique" during Social Studies relaying a supposed conspiracy from corporate leaders to keep women unemployed and hence encourage them to embrace consumerism.
Edit: News article should be opinion article. I am only human, and can acknowledge my flaws and limitations. This knowledge prevents me from stymieing the autonomy of others in the name of a dogma, but rather working to encourage liberty, free speech, and justice for all.
ReplyDeleteHi, e-string,
ReplyDeleteIf she's trying to keep the truth of her misconduct secret why would she appeal to the state Supreme Court? Without further evidence, I would say her behavior seems terrible--but abusing a system is what unscrupulous people of any persuasion do, it is not specific to feminism. And she she seems to have been tacitly reprimanded by the judge ordering a new trial.
To the usual posters: I've been delightedly lurking here for a while and decided to come up with a rubric of typical MRA maneuvers. I found it so cathartic I thought I might go ahead and share.
MRisogynist Rubric*
* In actual MRisogynist practice, these propositions are often used in conjunction with one another (whatever logical inconsistencies may arise from that conjunction)
(1) Daddy government always sides with the wimmenz. And he is in the bedroom. And he is watching you.
(2) Patriarchy is a myth; however, men are, have been historically, and will be (once feminism meets its inevitable demise) dominant. This is so because men and their needs being the center of the universe is nature, not patriarchy.
(3) False rape accusations are a bigger problem than actual rape
(4) When it comes to domestic violence, women are half the problem (this is because numbers trump the structural inequalities of patriarchy because patriarchy doesn’t exist)
(5) Men are naturally dominant. Evolutionary psychology and my spearhead say so.
(6) All women are feminists; if they say they are not, they are lying.
(7) All feminists:
(a) lie
(b) are lesbian male-bashers, but
(i) this does not preclude them wanting to be taken care of my alpha male sugar daddies
(c) want men’s wallets and sperm
(d) do not believe in economic independence or self-reliance for the wimmenz
(e) are ugly, slutty, cat lovers
(f) don’t want to give birth to children but they do want to
(i) kill or abuse their children
(ii) use them to emotionally blackmail men
(g) are emotional: this includes being emotionally fragile; being incapable of emotional self-discipline or restraint; constant emotional manipulation of men; and pre-menstrual emotionalism (although all women are pretty much pre-menstrual all the time—a woman is pre-menstrual if she is angry with you)
(h) think like Andrea Dworkin
(i) will be replaced by sex bots
(j) get tinglies in their lady parts from every Y-chromosome carrier who isn’t a “mangina.” You are a mangina if you are not, or do not agree with, he whose name is the mirror image of m.a.l.e. Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who’s the manliest one of all? Oh, yes, it’s me. Thank goodness my buddies (the people who swarm to assist me in debate even though—glory of nature than I am—I fight my own battles) and me are rank and file generals and not those other non-dominant people. Now that I’ve explained that to you: get out of my comment area—I want to be alone with my mirror.
(k) are incapable of intelligent thought. This includes:
(i) logic
(ii) understanding someone else’s argument
(iii) being able to read in full an article provided as evidence in support of an MRA position
(iv) being able to provide evidence for one’s own position
(v) the ability to grasp irony
Well, without feminism, women wouldn't be allowed to testify in court. So I guess it's true that feminism is All To Blame for any time there is a miscarriage of justice that involves female persons in any way.
ReplyDeleteOddly, though, the false reporting rate for rape is no different than the rate for any other crime, so I really think the Ebil Femnazi Hordes need to pick up their game.
The Feminist Mystique was, in fact, written by Betty Friedan, who is a very different person from Andrea Dworkin.
ReplyDelete@Aydan - yes, it seems I was mistaken. It was The Feminine Mystique by Betty Friedan. The book seems to make a variety of incendiary claims without evidence to back it up. I could not even find a bibliography at the end, and very few citations. You can do a search through the etext here for the phrase "without any clothes on" and count the number of unverifiable claims.
ReplyDeleteOddly, though, the false reporting rate for rape is no different than the rate for any other crime
ReplyDeleteHow do you know that? The threshold of evidence is so low that these "miscarriages" keep happening. This means a lot of innocent men are inevitably imprisoned. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of simple deduction. The false rape accusation rate isn't just the men who are exonerated - some of those men go to jail.
How do we deal with overzealous DAs like Mike Nifong who just want to put men away to further their pet cause? What kind of justice system allows a case like the Duke Lacrosse one to even get so far?
"Feminists, would you be willing to skim this news article and answer whether this situation would exist without feminism?"
ReplyDeleteI skimmed the "article." Let me ask a question, feel free to ignore it: You do know that for a long time -long before The Feminine Mystique and any burning bras- a Black man in the American South could be killed just for looking at a White woman, right?
I mean, no police procedures, no courts of any kind and no evil feminist district attorneys were required. An accusation of rape from a White woman, or her husband, or brother, or father, or any White man at all could result in a gang of townspeople showing up at the man's residence in a mob. They would drag him from his home, hang him from a tree, set his body on fire and take pictures.
So, to sum up, yes. This kind of situation could and did exist without feminism.
Now, that said, if the Assistant DA Mary Kellett is truly this corrupt, or hopelessly compromised by bias or just completely evil, then the citizens of Maine need to organize and do something about it.
Here is an appellate decision regarding the case String cited He was granted a new trial and the decision was affirmed and they said that there was sufficient evidence for the directed verdict to be denied.
ReplyDeleteFor those wishing to see an unbiased view of the matter anyway.
"The book seems to make a variety of incendiary claims without evidence to back it up."
ReplyDeleteThe Feminine Mystique? Really? I thought that the thesis of The Feminine Mystique was the widely accepted, yawn inducing, completely un-incendiary idea that housework sucks.
Well, live and learn. I guess.
What in fuck is going on with comments? I've the shittiest time trying to get one fucking comment to post.
ReplyDelete@ briget: "what exactly is an anarcho dandyist??"
ReplyDeleteBasically someone agitating for positive cultural change while being well-groomed, well-spoken, and wearing snazzy yet inexpensive clothing.
The average urbanite in the 30s dressed as nicely as s/he could afford to as a point of self-worth. It was only with the Generation Gap that it became a weenie move to look one's best. Which approach is style over substance? You tell me.
I'm just catching up here. A couple of things:
ReplyDelete1) There's a nice long comment by thefemalespectator that was caught by the spam filter but is up now, and worth scrolling up to read.
2) ginmar, no idea what's with comments not posting. None of yours were caught in the spam filter, FWIW.
3) Anyone who thinks that The Feminine Mystique was written by Andrea Dworkin does not actually know enough about feminism to be worth debating on the subject. It would be a bit like debating US politics with someone who doesn't know who the vice president is.
Miscarriages of justice happened before feminism, and they still happen today. I doubt, for example, that the Scottsboro Boys case had anything at all to do with feminism.
ReplyDeleteHow do we deal with overzealous DAs like Mike Nifong who just want to put men away to further their pet cause?
ReplyDeleteBy having him fired and disbarred? You know, like he was.
What kind of justice system allows a case like the Duke Lacrosse one to even get so far?
Where people are charged with a crime, and then the charges are subsequently dropped for lack of evidence? Off the top of my head, I'd say nearly any legal system worth the name.
People get charged with a crime only to have the charges later dropped or reduced all the time. People get railroaded by overzealous prosecutors all the time as well. Usually, the latter happens to people of color, poor people, and other groups traditionally oppressed or discriminated against.
I'm going to go out on a limb, here, and speculate that the reason the Duke LaCrosse case pisses you off so much is that it happened to people with whom you identify. Ask yourself honestly: if the Duke LaCrosse players had been black gang-bangers from South-Central, and the alleged victim had been a white coed from USC, would they have become the poster boys for the false rape movement that they are now? I tend to doubt it.
I'm not calling MRAs racist, by the way; I'm just asserting my belief that MRAs' concern about false rape allegations has less to do with justice and more to do with fear that it could happen to them or people like them. When it happens to someone else, I can't really imagine them giving much of shit, since I haven't noticed that any of them are especially gifted in the empathy department.
I'm sorry, but I'm loving string's contributions to the thread thus far:
ReplyDelete1. Claiming to have read a book called The Feminist Mystique by Andrea Dworkin.
2. When it's pointed out that he got both the title and author wrong, hurriedly Googling for an online copy of the text so he can still pretend to have read it.
3. Asserting, with no further explanation, that The Feminine Mystique is best understood by searching for the phrase "without any clothes on" (which occurs on page 335, for the interested).
4. DUKE LACROSSE!!!
Seriously, isn't the Duke Lacrosse case pretty strong evidence against the idea that it's easy to falsely convict someone of rape? It didn't even go to trial, much less get anyone convicted.
But, shaenon, the Duke Lacrosse case is the Worst Miscarriage of Justice Ever. I mean, sure, they didn't get wrongly convicted and sent to prison for many years like Dreyfus or the Scotsboro Boys, but, dammit, these are privileged white guys here! We must ensure that such a travesty Never Happens Again--to people of that particular group at any rate.
ReplyDelete(Short version for String: yeah, it sucked for the Duke Lacrosse defendants, but get some fucking perspective for Chrissakes.)
Also if my memory is correct their WAS alot of slut shamming and victim blaming in the MSM in the Duke case.....As well as with Kobe Bryant...
ReplyDeleteI don't respect your intelligence enough to defend myself against supposed racism. If you want to think that, your defective brain will. Not my problem.
ReplyDeleteMoving on, the Duke Rape case is so useful because of how feminists reacted to it. It forwarded the goals of the MRM by showcasing how hypocritical their cause is. It bothers you so much because you cannot justify the mainstream feminist's reaction to it. Until I get a satisfactory answer which can adequately justify the mainstream feminist reaction, I will continue to bring up these "exceptions" which expose your feminist bigotry, no matter how much you complain.
Anyone who thinks that The Feminine Mystique was written by Andrea Dworkin does not actually know enough about feminism to be worth debating on the subject.
I know the effects of feminism, such as the character assassination of the Duke Lacrosse team members. I apologize if confusing one Marxist bigot who puts forth unverifiable claims for another upset you.
So do you support doing things like this for rape accusations String?
ReplyDelete"I know the effects of feminism, such as the character assassination of the Duke Lacrosse team members. I apologize if confusing one Marxist bigot who puts forth unverifiable claims for another upset you."
ReplyDeleteUpsetting? No, it's actually pretty funny watching you claim to be our intellectual superior right after getting caught with your ass out like that.
I don't respect your intelligence enough to defend myself against supposed racism. If you want to think that, your defective brain will. Not my problem.
ReplyDeleteWell, then, it's a good thing I specifically said I wasn't accusing you of it.
We're talking about two different things, here, Stringy. I was responding to your allegation that the Duke case was a miscarriage of justice. In fact, it was just the opposite: the charges were dropped, and the prosecutor was fired and disbarred. For the falsely accused, it doesn't get much better than that. This is not to say that their experience was a walk in the park, but it hardly qualifies as a miscarriage of justice when compared to so many others that have occurred.
ReplyDeleteAh, but mon capitaine, don't you see? The woman got off scott free and that's what's bugging our brave woman hater. He wants to see her punished.
ReplyDeleteSomething happened in that house. I mean, her fingernails were found in the bathroom. How'd that happen?
Just try and get the MRAs to acknowledge all the men who allege false accusations of false accusations---which is a huge proportion of men. Maybe their pointy little heads will explode.
By at least twenty to fifty years in prison. Or whatever their paranoid delusional minds think the max prison term for rape is.
ReplyDeleteI certainly have been forced to read feminist texts* from elementary all the way through college, so a voluntary perusal of one brief article should not be too much to ask.
ReplyDeleteI don't know what elementary school you went to where you read feminist texts, but I wish I'd gone there.
Yeah, a feminist 'text' is anything that doesn't say, "Women suck, you're totally better than them," and a false accusation that was investigated, cleared, and resulted in the DA being fired is insufficient justice. They really have a hard on for that woman---and I use that phrase deliberately. The rage MRAs have about so-called 'false' accusations is so out of proportion to the real actual risk of being the object of one of them that you have to wonder why they're so fearful. Could it be guilt? What does the proverb say? The guilty flee where no man pursueth?
ReplyDeleteYes, ginmar, this goes to my point up above: even if their obsession with false rape allegations isn't fueled by guilt, it demonstrates a staggering lack of empathy. These guys don't give a rat's ass about justice or injustice. They only care about things that might affect them. Thus, false rape accusations are worse than rape itself--unless, of course, we're talking about prison rape, which is worse than all the rapes that have ever happened to women since the fall of Rome. To the MRA, oppression is only oppression if it happens to me or people like me--otherwise, who gives a shit? They are the libertarians of the world of gender politics.
ReplyDeleteAs for the Duke Lacrosse case, I don't know enough confirmed details one way or the other to even speculate on the players' guilt or innocence. I was assuming they were falsely accused solely for the sake of argument.
The fact is, these guys believe that there are staggering amounts of lying women out there, gleefully sending men to jail. All the evidence argues against this. It's staggering trying to figure out what universe they're in.
ReplyDeleteI tell you, it's enough to make one want to get staggering drunk. ;)
ReplyDeleteYes, ginmar, this goes to my point up above: even if their obsession with false rape allegations isn't fueled by guilt, it demonstrates a staggering lack of empathy.
ReplyDeleteWhile a callous disregard of anyone falsely accused demonstrates... empathy?
Also, I know you have this pet theory about how anyone who disagrees with your enlightened dogma is egocentric. It does, however, raise the question as to the presence of women in the MRM. Are they evil because they worry about the treatment of their friends, husbands, and sons? But hey, I'm sure you're too smart to bother with such trivial details. Shine on, you crazy feminists. Shine on.