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But once in a while this facade of (partial) tolerance cracks a bit and we can see some of the homophobic nastiness within. Like, for example, when Daniel Craig -- the current reigning James Bond -- puts on a dress for an International Women's Day video highlighting the many injustices the women of the world still face.
On The Spearhead, head spearheader W. F. Price introduces the video to the assembled masses with something of a shudder, describing it as "an unfortunate move that could result in career difficulties down the road" for Craig.
A number of Spearhead commenters are similarly horrified about Bond in Drag, but it is the commenter called Firepower who really brings the hatred up to 11, dropping one of the "f-words" and fantasizing about some quite literal gay-bashing.
The deliberate desecration of a cock-swinging MAN icon like Bond is a calculated, deliberate move – like putting lipstick on Javier Bardem in that stupid Haitina AIDS Liberal commercial.
ANY male that subjects himself to this feminizing humiliation by his enemies deserves feminizing.
Craig’s Bond is faggy anyway.
Sean Connery not only would’ve NEVER posed for these drag pics, he would’ve told the gay publicist to “sod off and suck my knob, mate.”
Then punched him.
This sterling analysis earned, at last count, 102 upvotes and only 6 downvotes from The Spearhead commentariate.
Here's the video in question:
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It just never fails to floor more how mind-bogglingly ignorant these MRA's are. I wonder, when they were in school, did they spend all their time fantasizing about raping their history teacher, instead of learning history?
ReplyDeleteMen in Ancient Greece wore dresses and liked to mock Persians for their effete customs, which included the wearing of pants. Yes, at that time, there were only two ways for a man to go about without damaging his reputation as a stud: in the nude or in a dress. A blue dress, quite often. Pants were considered effeminate and not worthy of a man. In Renaissance Europe, "real men" wore tights, high heels, jewelry and perfume. At that time, nothing affirmed a man's masculinity as forcefully as his display of a shapely leg -- which means it was a source of extreme anxiety to about 99% of men. At the court of Louis XIV, the manliest of male courtiers wore pastel silks, frilly lace, powdered wigs, high heels and make-up. And before any MRA idiot starts snickering about these men's supposed girliness, it needs to be pointed out that these men engaged in swordfights in that getup. Sword-fighting while wearing high heels: if that's not badass, I don't know what is. Oh, and lest we forget, pink was considered a masculine color almost until the 20th century. But what all these societies had in common was that for a man to appear as a woman was thought to be a "desecration" of his cock. At the same time, there is no way to desecrate a vagina, as it's already profane to begin with.
So basically, "Firepower" proved the PSA's point: As long as we continue to perceive the application of female attributes to a man as humiliating or belittling, we can't claim that we've achieved equality between the sexes.
It's also incredible how insecure these men are in their much-vaunted masculinity. So much so that just seeing another man feminized makes them feel threatened.
ReplyDeleteDavid, Captain Bathrobe, and myself all have MRA commenters here calling our masculinity into question. Apparently they can't conceive of the fact that we don't give a shit. It's an amusingly toothless insult.
see my bf dresses in drag, and is as straight as they come. He's also a gear head who spends most of his time under the hood of a car. So how do these guys deal with that kind of dichotomy? Does it make their brains melt into a pile of goo?
ReplyDeleteWouldn't Sean Connery asking some bloke to suck his knob be kind of, um, gay?
ReplyDeleteNo sir, Sean Connery would never be caught dead in a dress.
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Or in...whatever this is:
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I think the costume designer for Zardoz simply bought up the costumes that didn't make it into the final cut of Barbarella.
ReplyDeleteSexy man in a dress is still sexy. Rawr.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, were you guys saying something?
Oh, does this mean I can finally put my favorite quote ever to good use?
ReplyDelete"Penis is evil! The Penis shoots Seeds, and makes new Life to poison the Earth with a plague of men, as once it was. But the Gun shoots Death and purifies the Earth of the filth of Brutals. Go forth, and kill! Zardoz has spoken."
Mmmm... Loincloths.
"I think the costume designer for Zardoz simply bought up the costumes that didn't make it into the final cut of Barbarella."
ReplyDeleteAnd I think you're a Grade-A nutcase with nothing better to do than think he's funny.
Zardoz! My roommate will never forgive me for making him watch that :)
ReplyDeleteHow do you like my knee high pleather boots, Trebek?
ReplyDeleteDon't let them find out about Enduring Love or Love is the Devil! ...woops.
ReplyDeleteAmused::: So basically, "Firepower" proved the PSA's point: As long as we continue to perceive the application of female attributes to a man as humiliating or belittling, we can't claim that we've achieved equality between the sexes. :::
ReplyDeleteBingo!
Did anyone but me think Daniel Craig looked extra hot in a dress and makeup? Or is it just me?
ReplyDeleteAs if their views on courtship weren't evidence enough, here is further evidence that these doods can't figure out the difference between media and reality. Hint: Daniel Craig is not James Bond; he only plays James Bond in the movies, and Daniel Craig is not wearing a dress in any of the James Bond movies he has made.
ReplyDeleteClairedammit, I totally agree. Few things are hotter than guys who are comfortable in a dress.
David, Captain Bathrobe, and myself all have MRA commenters here calling our masculinity into question. Apparently they can't conceive of the fact that we don't give a shit. It's an amusingly toothless insult.
ReplyDeleteWell, it only has teeth if you let it. I think it's the measure of how truly liberated a man is--not that fake liberation they peddle on the Spearhead and elsewhere--if he can endure attacks on his masculinity without it really bothering him that much. Freedom from the strictures of the masculine ideal is something I wish for all men, everywhere--even our MRA friends. That's true liberation.
"I think it's the measure of how truly liberated a man is--not that fake liberation they peddle on the Spearhead and elsewhere--if he can endure attacks on his masculinity without it really bothering him that much."---CB
ReplyDeleteTranslation: "It's okay for a man to be a proverbial punching bag because he's masculine if he's an emotional masochist, but if he fires back he's an misogynist asshole."
Think of it this way---if women were attacked for the feminity and told they should let it slide, would they have a right to be upset? Think carefully.
"Freedom from the structures of the masculine ideal is something I wish for all men, everywhere--even our MRA friends. That's true liberation."
Really?
And what masculine idea is this? Not one of you are remotely qualified to make that determination.
In all serious, I'll let you on a secret---MGTOW isn't about men being policed about what they do with their masculinity or what "real men" should be. The latter is always someone wanting someone expecting that man to shape up, probably not for his own benefit.
Think of it this way---if women were attacked for the feminity and told they should let it slide, would they have a right to be upset? Think carefully.
ReplyDeleteWell everyone has a "right" to be upset about whatever they want. That's not what's at issue here. What's at issue is a choice to value traditional gender definitions at the exclusion of individual freedom and happiness, or a choice to reject those gender definitions.
Getting back around to your poorly executed attempt to point out some nonexistent double standard, I want just as much for women to be freed from the shackles of femininity as for men to be freed from the shackles of masculinity. Feminism, especially in the past few decades, is an attempt to deconstruct gender and, ideally, to help society move past gender.
@SallyStrange, clairedammit, and thewhatifgirl:
ReplyDeleteJust here to voice my confirmation: Guys in dresses/skirts are hot. We need more of them.
wytch wrote:
ReplyDeleteTranslation: "It's okay for a man to be a proverbial punching bag because he's masculine if he's an emotional masochist, but if he fires back he's an misogynist asshole."
Since when do I not fire back when my masculinity has been questioned? I just do so in a way that says "sorry, you're barking up the wrong tree here." It's much more effective and satisfying than the usual chest puffing and feces throwing that men usually do when their masculinity in questioned. Your mileage may vary.
I'm also not in any way saying that you don't have a right to be upset when someone questions your masculinity. I'm simply saying that you don't have to get upset, not when you come to realize that the traditional masculine ideal is a crock. So, when someone says, in effect, "Ha ha! You don't live up to some stupid, outdated idea of masculinity!" you are free to respond, as I do: "You're right. I don't. So what?" Kind of stops the other person cold, don't you think?
And what masculine idea is this? Not one of you are remotely qualified to make that determination.
Tut, tut...careful with the shaming language there, partner. We're men--isn't that qualification enough? We were raised in much the same way as you (probably), with the same expectations put on us. We don't live in caves on Mars with our ears plugged.
In all serious, I'll let you on a secret---MGTOW isn't about men being policed about what they do with their masculinity or what "real men" should be. The latter is always someone wanting someone expecting that man to shape up, probably not for his own benefit.
I'm glad. Truly I am. That means that we have more in common than you think. The difference between us is that you see women in general and feminists in particular as the source of men's problems, and I do not. I agree with Amanda Marcotte that the solution to the problems you identify is more feminism, carried to it's logical conclusion of gender equality. The problem is, the MRM and MGTOWs insist on attacking a straw feminism that encompasses everything that they see as bad. It seems a very unproductive and unfulfilling way to be.
I've chosen to be a feminist because I see it as being in my interest to do so. Patriarchy really does hurt everyone. I want to share this world with women who are free, strong, smart, and liberated--not pseudo-submissive, resentful, and passive-aggressive. Feminism promotes the former, patriarchy the latter. Which do you choose?
"Not one of you are remotely qualified to make that determination."
ReplyDeleteI think you'll find we are.
But yes, I do find the 'mangina' pussyfication talk more funny than hurtful. It's like, 'whatever'.
Translation: "It's okay for a man to be a proverbial punching bag because he's masculine if he's an emotional masochist, but if he fires back he's an misogynist asshole."
ReplyDeleteI usually interpret it that if he fires back he's not very secure.
The real translation should be: "A liberated man has nothing to prove and is therefore not hurt by attacks on his masculinity."
percy,
ReplyDeleteYours is a more concise summary of what I was trying to say. Thanks.
Yours too, trip.
ReplyDeletejupiter9 said...
ReplyDeleteWouldn't Sean Connery asking some bloke to suck his knob be kind of, um, gay?
Not that there's anything wrong with that. Oh yeah, he was using that to say there's something wrong with that.
http://cinepub.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/zardoz.jpg
Gay santa?
So what do these guys think of kilts?
There is a problem with this video, but it's not portraying a male icon as a female.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that it pretends like all gender based discrimination is against women and seems to assign all the ills that befall women to sexual discrimination by men.
No, no, no. White men are totally victims of racism and gender discrimination, too. At least 1% of the time, so, totally valid point there Khan.
ReplyDeleteMale inequality is a real issue, though many people don't regard it as such, since it is much more deep-rooted than female inequality. It includes such factors as greater tendency for alcoholism, higher suicide rates, lower education levels, much more prevalent incarceration figures, increased homelessness, blatant discrimination during divorce and custody cases, much greater chance of facing random violence, close to zero official response to domestic violence faced by men, much greater general pressure to gender-specific behaviour, and so much more. Until people start thinking that these matters also matter and not regard them as natural occurrences, there cannot be true equality either.
ReplyDeleteA - everything you said is a long winded version of Patriarchy Hurts Men Too. Feminists don't deny anything you've said, even though you wrongly paint it as male "inequality" when it's really just the logical result of painting any and everything female as less than and beneath men. Would there be "much greater general pressure to gender specific behavior" if men weren't so terrified of being perceived as even vaguely feminine? Would they still not seek help for all the things you mentioned if "seeking help" was not coded as weak (and therefore feminine)?
ReplyDeleteEverything you say is true, but not for the reasons MRAs like to pretend. These are all the fault of rigid, anti-woman, anti-male patriarchy.
Walkertall - I am not aware of nor have read this book you mention, rather these are just observations I've gathered over the years. I'm not sure the best way to deal with the issue is loading the guilt on men as heavily as you seem to be doing by saying men are "terrified of being perceived as even vaguely feminine". That kind of attitude demonstrates my point very clearly! You are, in your own words, strengthening this image of men being active commanders of their fate, and I assume, by comparison, women being the innocent victims of male-dominated society. Or something. As far as I can see, there's nothing intrinsically feminine about alcoholism, drug addiction, marginalization, or legal discrimination, which would lead the fear of the feminine to be, in this counter-intuitive world of yours, the main reason for greater suffering for males. These issues are rooted very deeply. How else would you explain that women live longer than men? I should think that a shorter life-span should be a pretty major issue for many people, but it is not at all seen as a problem, because, as you so aptly exemplify it, men are externally burdened with life-shortening pressures. It is not about individuals being too afraid to do something, but all about how society forms general opinions and monitors the actions of those individuals. We need greater awareness of the problems that males face, definitely and emphatically not instead of, but in addition to, those that females face. We need to be able to make both sides heard, and not trivialize any of it by ridicule.
ReplyDeleteWe need greater awareness of the problems that males face
ReplyDeleteNo we don't. Male issues already get tons of attention in our society. MRAs just don't like the fact that womens' issues also get attention ever since the advent of feminism. All of their bullshit about misandry is just an attempt to cloak that.
triplanetary - Wow. Okay, whatever. I guess it might somehow be impossible for a woman to really accept that life is tough also on men. I suppose over there where you live, the newspapers perhaps are full of stories about the hardships that males are face with almost exclusively or to a disproportionately higher degree, but somehow I kinda doubt that.
ReplyDeleteIt is good that female issues are brought forward, and I think it is very encouraging. You again exemplify extremely well why the male issues are buried. People seem to have blinders on and appear to regard inequality issues with an extremely myopic intent: problems that run deeper than the surface are not seen as valid.
"I want to share this world with women who are free, strong, smart, and liberated--not pseudo-submissive, resentful, and passive-aggressive. Feminism promotes the former, patriarchy the latter. Which do you choose?---CB
ReplyDeleteI don't choose feminism because of what you described as "resentful, and passive-aggressive" emobidies of many feminists I've come across. This is also in light that they do not generally support men's issues in practice or even on paper.
". . .you are free to respond, as I do: "You're right. I don't. So what?" Kind of stops the other person cold, don't you think?"
It typically does not, and not just from my experience. In fact, it solves nothing concerning the problem.
"I agree with Amanda Marcotte that the solution to the problems you identify is more feminism, carried to it's logical conclusion of gender equality."
Yeah, and Amanda believed the Duke men were guilty until the bitter end, and feminism isn't about gender equality. Forgoen conclusion here as well.
Marcotte is not to be trusted, and your placing stock in her is ruining any credibility.
BTW, if you believe traditional masculinity and patriarchal systems are bad for men, then you would also agree that there are injustices and inequality against men despite the claims of "privilege" many posters talk about here. If patriachy was so deleterious for men, how does it benefit them as well? You feminists can't even find a general premise here to begin with on that account.
I want to be free, strong, smart, and liberated myself.
Feminism does nothing for me in this area at all. I will never support it for that reason.
"No we don't. Male issues already get tons of attention in our society."---Trianything
ReplyDeleteAnd this is coming from someone who calls MRAs pieces of shit?
This is bold-faced lie.
Actually, what I don't see as valid is the privileged group whining that it's not privileged enough anymore. Get the fuck over it.
ReplyDeleteAnd this is coming from someone who calls MRAs pieces of shit?
ReplyDeleteThey are. It's not a misandrist statement. I have nothing against men in general. I have a lot against men who deny the massive privilege they enjoy and simultaneously demand more.
triplanetary - You really don't seem to get it. All the men are not automatically granted some divine gift of massive privilege that you so emphatically seem to be envious of. I know that from personal experience as well as from just looking around and reading into these issues. Maybe it would help to try and see things also from another perspective. It is possible to raise the awareness of a multitude of societal wrongs without the message being diluted. People are people and should all be regarded as equals, in everything. I am one of those men that have not enjoyed these somewhat delusional massive privileges, so I assume you'll disregard what I have to say. Anyhow, in order to have true equality, it is necessary to give the gender dichotomy much less weight, and concentrate on the well-being of humans in general.
ReplyDeletetriplanetary said...
ReplyDelete"Actually, what I don't see as valid is the privileged group whining that it's not privileged enough anymore. Get the fuck over it."
I.e. "I don't give a shit about how serious men's issues are and don't want acknowledge them, and what you to man up."
Do you understand your credibility is zero at the moment? As it always is . .
"It's not a misandrist statement."---Trianything
ReplyDeleteYes, it is, and you are a misandrist as well.
triplanetary - You really don't seem to get it. All the men are not automatically granted some divine gift of massive privilege that you so emphatically seem to be envious of.
ReplyDeleteEnvious of? I benefit from that privilege as much as all men who live in patriarchal societies. But unlike you I don't deny that fact.
It is possible to raise the awareness of a multitude of societal wrongs without the message being diluted.
Of course it is. But men's issues get plenty of attention in our society, and MRAs who claim otherwise simply can't handle losing the slightest chip of privilege over women.
People are people and should all be regarded as equals, in everything. ... Anyhow, in order to have true equality, it is necessary to give the gender dichotomy much less weight, and concentrate on the well-being of humans in general.
This is precisely what feminists are fighting for. And it is not, by and large, what MRAs are fighting for. They'll sometimes claim to be opposed to gender binaries, but far more often - especially when you see them on their own turf - they're busy using evo psych to explain why women are physically and intellectually inferior.
I must confess I'm not really aware of this MRA movement, if it is such, but only came to visit this site during a Google round. I'm all for equality, but tend to think that offensive derision is not the correct way to bring about progress. Labeling all men privileged and whiny is overstepping the mark. Such exaggerated generalizations tend to halt discussion and create gaping chasms between various viewpoints.
ReplyDeleteTone troll is a tone troll.
ReplyDeleteIt's not merely about the tone, you silly oaf. Spouting clear fallacies with a foaming mouth just does not cut it when it is preferable that the message gets through. All in all, nothing new in the internet.
ReplyDeleteLabeling all men privileged and whiny is overstepping the mark.
ReplyDeleteThis strawman is getting tiresome. Your earlier accusation of penis envy was delightful, but other than that you're one of the more boring trolls on this blog.
hmmm..interesting premise. There is no equality and there never will be. Men have one thing in general over women--a greater capacity for violence in an up close and personal manner. The fact is that I am better at hitting people in the face that 99% of the women in the world--or more actually.
ReplyDeleteWomen--women have sex. And men are always going to be on the "want it more" side of that equation-at least until --mercifully time takes enough of a toll to make it a fading imperative. I'm wondering if the rise in ED isn't a boon rather than a problem.
In any case--fix that disparity and you have a chance. But then again we wouldn't be human anymore.
Which is why I find any criticism of men going their own way a little suspect.
If I choose to drop the fuck out and not play this stupid game anymore what is your problem with that?
And men are always going to be on the "want it more" side of that equation
ReplyDeleteIncorrect. Our society discourages, and in many ways even punishes, female sexual expression. This allows for the superficial appearance that men want sex more than women, but it's simply not so.
If I choose to drop the fuck out and not play this stupid game anymore what is your problem with that?
I have no problem with that. Nor do David or the other feminists on this site. Our problem is that the self-described MGTOWs claim that they want to simply excise women from their lives, and instead spend all day on message boards and blogs talking about how awful women are.
When you say "this stupid game" I feel like I know what you mean, although I won't pretend that I've been through anything approaching what you've been through. But I've experience my share of pain in my attempts to find romance. Sometimes it's nobody's fault. But sometimes it's because some people are inconsiderate, selfish, sadistic, or in some other way just hurtful to people close to them. I've dated more than one woman who hurt me in ways that I feel were unjustifiable. Some of my exes I regard as bad people. So I know it happens.
My problem with MGTOWs is that they blame women for this. Some women hurt men, yes. And some men hurt women. Like I said above, some people are selfish or cruel. Some people are assholes. But those "some people" are men and women both. No matter what advances we make in terms of gender equality, there will always be assholes out there hurting those close to them.
So no, I don't blame you or think any less of you for dropping out of the game entirely. I think you're misinterpreting the motivation behind David's blog. This blog is about misogyny, plain and simple. If you're a non-misogynist man who chooses not to date, you'll find nothing but support from feminists. Indeed, true QUILTBAG advocates work to raise awareness and understanding of asexuals as much as any other non-cisgendered group.
Exactly. I focus a lot on MGTOW not because I have anything against people, male or female, "going their own way" -- in a lot of ways I'm "going my own way" myself, as I like a lot of autonomy -- but because of the really quite incredible and obsessive misogyny I so regularly find amongst self-described MGTOWers.
ReplyDeleteIf someone says, hey sex is messy and complicsted and I don't want to have anything to do with it, that's their business. If someone wants to become a monk, that's their business. If someone wants to pack up and move to a cabin in the woods by themselves, that's their business.
If someone says, "ha, you stupid sluts I'm going to go live in my car in hopes that I will bring civilization down and put those bitches in their place," I might make fun of them a little bit.
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ReplyDeleteI was going to reply to a and wytchfinder's stupidity, but it turned into a huge novel. So, blogwhore ahoy, I posted it on my own blog. Love this blog so much <3!
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