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American women, he writes, echoing a widespread sentiment amongst manosphere men,
are worthless. They are fat, ignorant, self-absorbed, and sexually unskilled. They are so stonehearted that they have been murdering their unborn at the rate of 4,000 innocents a day for 30 years. They are psychologically unstable, romantically unreliable, and more prone than not to use the legal system as a weapon to merely get their way. American women are brash, obnoxious, loud, and irrational - and that is on their very best days.
Asian women, by contrast,
are (largely) diminutive, petite, and feminine. They are quiet and submissive, and have genuine values. ... They are devoted to their family, and recognize that sexual skill is a necessary part of being a woman. They recognize that their primary loyalty is to their husband and do not have the "party" attitude of young American women. They are clean, manageable, marriageable, and sane.
Mr. Chick Objectifier shows how much he values these women with values by illustrating his post with a picture of a young, attractive Asian women, with the following caption: "Hello There .... You must be the birthday boy!!! I am your gift!!! I am here to love you long time!"
Clearly, Mr. Objectifier suggests, the best way to knock those smug American women down a peg or two is to import as many of these Asian "gifts" to the US as possible. Alas, evil feminists -- sorry, "femtards" -- have put a some barriers in the way, in the name of protecting women and girls from "human trafficking." Mr. Chick Objectifier objects, arguing that
the femtard interest in Western men's attraction to foreign women has nothing to do with their purported concern for "human trafficking." Femtard attempts to criminalize foreign matchmaking services and the ease with which foreign wives can obtain visas is rather an attempt to squelch competition from real women (which Western, femtard women are NOT) so that Western men are forced to settle for the screeching, obnoxious, and fat-laden banshees of the femtard left.
That's right: In his mind Asian women are basically sexual strikebreakers, and feminists want to keep them out of the US so they can have ... bitter, woman-hating dudes like the Chick Objectifier all to themselves?
I was following his logic up to this point, but then my head exploded.
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It's very sad that confused, miserable individuals like Chick Objectifier exist. Is there a sudden dearth of therapists in this country, or what?
ReplyDeleteI am intensely curious to know what Mr. Objectify Chicks considers to be 'sexually skilled.'
ReplyDeleteI suspect it has more to do with 'blow jobs and anal on demand' than anything else.
The main contact these guys have with women is watching porn with Asian pornstars in it. That's why these guys constantly fantasize about Asian and East-European women.
ReplyDeleteThese guys are very easy prey for golddiggers and that's the type of things that will happens to them :
http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader/reader2112.htm
http://www.pattaya-live.com/index.php?showtopic=1072
These guys really need to stop whining about the International Marriage Brokers Act. It has like no teeth whatsoever. If you got your panties in a knot because your prospective bride can request a copy of a poorly-done background check and gets a brochure that tells her she won't be deported for divorcing a guy who beats her, then maybe an arbitrary limit on the number of fiance visas you can apply for is not the biggest thing between you and happiness.
ReplyDeleteAnd also, I believe it only applies to women you meet through a broker. If you have the gumption to get your ass over to Asia and meet a chick on your own, I'm pretty sure it's still game on for lying about your income or previous criminal history.
ReplyDeleteReminds me of this: http://boycottamericanwomen.blogspot.com/2011/02/american-women-hate-asian-women.html
ReplyDeleteNevermind the *flipside* of the stereotype, of Asian women who pose as young, frigid girls to "please" their man by being "unskilled" virgins. Women are women. *chuckle* These MGTOW blokes will never GET it...they'll just keep on slappin' the salami and hopin' for 1950.
Holy racist stereotyping batman! I can't help but notice that the abortion thing is so blantantly wrong. Asian countries in general have roughly equivalent rates to western european and american ones http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/wrjp334pd.html Abortion tends to be less of a political battle in Asia, but it every bit as common as in the west. Oops, better forget things like China's high abortion rate if it does not fit into your racist anti-choice rants.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if any of them have noticed the extreme gender imbalance in places like China. Last I saw it was 130/100 for male to female ratio. That is not going to end well and it will make it a great deal harder to find some random Asian woman to marry.
ReplyDeleteIs anyone else impressed that David wrote this while having no head as it had exploded? :)
ReplyDeleteDarkSideCat is right. I have heard, but have not confirmed myself, that Japanese don't like hormonal birth control (and in poorer countries it's not as likely to be available anyway) and it can be tricky to get. Condoms fill a gap, obviously, but abortions are common as well.
ReplyDeleteAh, Wiki to the rescue. Japan is my point of reference, so here we go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Japan
They are really good at hiding their reliance on abortion, but it is available. I find it interesting that they'll punish a mother for performing a self-abortion rather than going to a properly certified clinic, which isn't a bad policy as long as access isn't an issue. We just had the septic wards of the 1950s that no one ever talked about.
@avpd0nmmng: Holy cow! That first story was awful. Poor guy!
ReplyDelete"I suspect it has more to do with 'blow jobs and anal on demand' than anything else. "
ReplyDeleteHa! I was coming to remark on that exact quote.
I'm also betting it means anal and blow jobs on demand. Also, the woman never requests a man go down on her. Oh, and something about how they're "tighter" than western women. I'm pretty sure these guys believe any female genitalia myth that there is. Right down to the, "All virgins bleed from the vag like shooting geysers when penetrated." In fact we know they believe that last one.
I can't tell you how many men think ridiculous things about me for being Asian. First off these types of men don't know the cultural differences between Chinese, Japanese, Taiwanese, Korean, etc... They latch on to whatever Asian stereotypes they like and associate them with me. I'm submissive? Ha! Spend an hour with my Grandmother and find out exactly how submissive she is, and she's not American born.
Truly, if an Asian woman is "acting" submissive, it's just that, acting. It's not like some inherited genetic trait either. It's a symptom of oppression and how they MUST act in certain situations. JUST like American women in the 50s, 60s and long before that. Even today, we still can't act however we want or how a man would because we'll be judged or punished in some way.
I hope when the writer from Objectify Chicks looks for his mail-order bride, he goes here.
ReplyDeleteavpd, I have no doubt that there are plenty of western guys who get in way over their head with Bangkok bar girls whom they've convinced themselves are perfect submissive women, but I have to say I don't believe that first story. He ends up in an insane asylum?
ReplyDeleteiodine, FWIW, Mr. Objectifier claims to have a properly "submissive" and "sexually skilled" American wife.
All married guys in the manosphere claim their wife is submissive but they are lying.
ReplyDelete"I suspect it has more to do with 'blow jobs and anal on demand' than anything else."
ReplyDeleteDoesn't "sexually skilled" in this case just mean, "Holy crap, this chick actually let me have sex with her!"?
What he says about American women is mostly accurate.
ReplyDeleteWhat he says about Asian women is entirely inaccurate.
@forweg:
ReplyDeleteWhen he was discussing American women, which part do you feel was inaccurate?
The funny part is that my personality in relationships vaguely resembles that of the Asian woman described here. (Except that I'm only quiet when in large groups of people and I'm fairly tall.) Of course, the reason my personality resembles the Asian woman's is because I have terminally low self-esteem and believe on a gut level that if I'm not a perfect girlfriend whoever I'm dating will come to their senses and date someone else. So... yeah.
ReplyDeleteAs women in western societies have a PRIVILEGE in the dating game, why should this even matter?
ReplyDeleteAs you feminclowns complain about male privilege a lot, this type of female privilege doesn’t seem to matter to you idiots.
I love how MRAs are so convinced that Asian women don't think they should have rights or autonomy or equality. No feminists in Asia, no sir. ^_^
ReplyDeleteAs women in western societies have a PRIVILEGE in the dating game
ReplyDeleteNo they don't. Your idea of "privilege" in this context is having the right to reject advances and have standards for who you want to date. Men have that right, too, of course, but when women claim that right you pretend that women are repressing you by not following your orders. Lame.
Oops, better forget things like China's high abortion rate if it does not fit into your racist anti-choice rants.
ReplyDeleteNot to distract too much from the "that guy is an idiot" point, but... I'm not sure I'd assume that abortions in China are a matter of free choice.
Speaking as someone who has dated a Japanese woman (from Japan), the truth is far more complicated...
ReplyDeleteOr, yeah, what Keiko said.
ReplyDeleteUm, yea seriously, China already has a shortage of women, not so much in the current mating generation, but among those who are under 20 years old today.
ReplyDeleteUnder the Communist system women were taught to be equals, to participate in the workforce, to participate in society, have a life of their own. Go to any city in China and you will see young women and men in their 20's delaying marriage and family to enjoy life and earn money, no different than young people in NYC. All of the Chinese women I know are very ambitious. "Quiet and demure" is just an act, the more China rises and Chinese people gain confidence, this tendency will decline as well.
I can certainly verify that my Japanese wife was glad to move away from a country where the sexual politics was at least thirty years behind ours. A land of glass ceilings, frequent sexual harassment and where there was an expectation of matrimonial drudgery. I believe my partner is rather glad not to be groped on trains any more and then feel obliged not to complain about it.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I'm sure that to Captain Objectify, this sounds like some kind of paradise.
I believe my partner is rather glad not to be groped on trains any more and then feel obliged not to complain about it.
ReplyDeleteWomen's bodies exist for male enjoyment. Thus I have a right to grope them and they don't have a right to complain.
Uppity bitches in America need to figure that out.
jeez I'd like to know where in america women don't get groped on public transit, because in briget world the 1960's call daily to ask for their train back
ReplyDeleteavpd0nmmng said...
ReplyDelete"All married guys in the manosphere claim their wife is submissive but they are lying."
Since you make a gross assumption and don't know any of the men of which you speak (personally or professionally), I'm wondering what fantasy world you live in. Or maybe not, considering the opium bong in your basement gets frequent useage.
^How ironic. ^ Complaining about a gross generalization.
ReplyDeleteBrigit - Yeah, American public transport has its share of pervs but the Japanese take it to a whole nother level. Partly from opportunity - it's just easier to get crushed up against a woman who will literally have no way to get away from you - and partly because a Japanese pervert groping a Japanese woman on the train is more confident than his foreign counterparts that she won't make an embarrassing fuss about it. For whatever the anecdotal data is worth, when I was an undergraduate a survey of American vs Japanese girls in my peer group showed the Japanese dealt with more sexual harassment from strangers than the Americans, and I think I'm downplaying it by using the word harassment. And they didn't ever see the point of reporting most of it, even though Tokyo has tiny manned police stations all over the place, so it's super easy to find a cop when you need one.
ReplyDelete@carswell
ReplyDeleteTepid response. I was addressing an individual and even if I had made a blanket generalization, it would not dismiss any facts I could have presented if I had. Which I didn't.
Complaining about a gross generalization.
ReplyDeleteWhile making a gross generalization and then denying it. LOL comedy gold.
I read recently that there is a not unlucrative mail-order bridge industry sending western women over to marry Chinese men (due to the disparity).
I wonder if Chinese MRAs say the same things about their women, making excuses for buying a spouse instead.
Walker-I know I was hit up for a marriage from one of those Chinese men who cannot find a wife from the general population.
ReplyDeleteI should find him again and ask him on his views with Eastern/Western women...might be interesting.
@wytchfinde555
ReplyDeleteIf these guys were so happy with their submissive wife, they would not spend all their time bitching against women.
I just posted this in its entirety on my other blog, asians not studying, and there are some pissed off Asian feminists out for blood. Count on not being dated by asian women either Mr. "Objectify Chicks." :)
ReplyDeletehttp://asiansnotstudying.tumblr.com/post/3724792199/today-on-manboobz-racism-and-sexism-double-whammy#notes
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ReplyDelete@wytchfinde555
If these guys were so happy with their submissive wife, they would not spend all their time bitching against women."
It goes above your little head. Again.
Not every woman out there is a good submissive wife. Maybe they have good submissive wives, but don't want to deal with vindictive women at the workplace or other forces in their perspective spheres that have made them critical of certain women. There are women that make it absolute hell for many men. Because you can't acknowledge that fact, well, that's your shortcoming.
Plus, it may actually SHOCK you, but there are men that want to help other men obtain a partner that actually treats them, well, not like shit. A good friend of mine has been married since early college and had two blogs up about interracial relations, and focused much on white men with black women. I lamented the fact when he removed both because he had much support despite detractors. What is wrong with a site that helps men avoid pitfalls and undesirable women while promoting the good? Simply nothing at heart. Would you question a woman that played matchmaker with singles and was married herself(even if her thrust had twist?). Not bloodly likely.
wytchfinde: "What is wrong with a site that helps men avoid pitfalls and undesirable women while promoting the good? Simply nothing at heart. Would you question a woman that played matchmaker with singles and was married herself(even if her thrust had twist?). Not bloodly likely."
ReplyDeleteI would not question a matchmaker who had the best interests of both parties at heart, did her matchmaking out of pure altruism, and matched partners who are more or less each other's equals in terms of age, attractiveness, and socio-economic background. I WOULD question a matchmaker who markets to abusive men, matches partners with as much as a 25-year age difference between them, makes prospective brides submit semi-nude photos to total strangers and promotes grossly inaccurate stereotypes.
I was born and grew up in a country that supplies a hefty share of mail-order brides to the Western market. My honest opinion, matchmaking services blatantly lie about my country's culture, specifically when they tell American men that a woman raised in our culture lives to serve men, that she won't defend herself forcefully against physical abuse, and that she wants nothing more in life than to marry an ugly, greasy slob two decades her senior so that she can spend the rest of her life waiting on him hand and foot. But it's not submission -- oh no -- it's respect. These matchmaking services also blatantly lie to women, when they misrepresent their clients' backgrounds and financial situations. They also lie to women when they represent to them that they act in their interest.
As an American woman, Im not all that arsed about the characterization....the media, and our celebutauntes (Paris Hilton, et al) put forth an image that is plastic and, I think, inaccurate of most American women.
ReplyDeleteI'd be pissed though, if I were an Asian woman. Idk why Asian women are so sexually fetishized in our culture. Maybe it's the whole submissive deal, who knows....but characterizing an entire race of people this way is just laughable. Even though the people doing the characterizations think they are doing so in a positive way (attributing sought after qualities rather than negative stereotyping), what they are doing is no less repugnant than saying "all Mexican men are lazy" or "all Black women are controlling" .... it's ridiculous.
"and that she wants nothing more in life than to marry an ugly, greasy slob two decades her senior so that she can spend the rest of her life waiting on him hand and foot . .. "---Amused
ReplyDeleteThat's a nice characterization of men who want foreign brides. You and Maria Cantwell should go bowling.
I don't know what happened to my last post. We'll try this again:
http://www.russian-women-forum.com/viewforum/Senator-Maria-Cantwell--International-Mail-Order-Bride-Act(IMBA)/Maria-Cantwell-desperately-presented-false-and-misleading-testimony-before-the-Senate-Foreign-Relations-Committee.html
"Ironically, the largest international dating agencies are exempt from IMBRA for suspicious reasons. Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-Washington) desperately presented false and misleading testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on July 14, 2004 (falsely) claiming international marriage brokers were involved in human trafficking of women into the United States. A DOJ study had already concluded no such correlation.
Clients of IMBs are essentially a "politically unpopular group." The collective "mass psychological" behavior of human beings sometimes dictates totally irrational responses to events similar to mob anger mentality. Japanese Americans during World War II, a politically unpopular group, were placed in internment camps having done nothing wrong.
The proponents continue to use deception , distortion and exaggeration, all of which are a form of lying (political McCarthyism). They carefully engineer "one sided" media interviews with no opposing point of view.
IMBRA proponents sensationalize the three foreign immigrant women killed by American men in "mail order bride arrangements" in 10 years, masking the ugly American fact that 14,000 American women citizens have been killed by their intimate partner in the same time frame. The only problem with these "International marriages" is a false perception created by IMBRA proponents.
IMBRA is a violation of the rights of people living in America. People living everywhere should have the right to choose whom they marry without government interference. Fellow citizens, please contact your elected representatives and ask for repeal of The "International Marriage Broker Regulation Act of 2005." Please contact your fellow veterans also."
Ah ha! I knew Natasha was a cutie. Told you guys so!
ReplyDeleteAh ha! I knew Natasha was a cutie. Told you guys so!
ReplyDeleteI assure you that nobody but you and richard give a shit about how attractive or unattractive Natasha is.
The answer I always give to people who claim government needs to butt out of marriages and what is legal or not-then quit requiring the state to have to resolve it when the couple splits up.
ReplyDeleteUntil then, the state has a perfect right to establish parameters that guide what goes into a marriage.
"I assure you that nobody but you and richard give a shit about how attractive or unattractive Natasha is."---Trianything
ReplyDeleteApparently, you have an interest in the fact I do find her attractive. Jealous, perhaps?
"Until then, the state has a perfect right to establish parameters that guide what goes into a marriage."---Elizabeth
ReplyDeleteIncluding a marriage that you felt the state was encroaching too far into?
Apparently, you have an interest in the fact I do find her attractive.
ReplyDeleteIt's a little amusing, in a sad sort of way, that you're interested in the attractiveness of a commenter on a blog.
Jealous, perhaps?
Certainly, I wish you found me cute. But I have a penis and I gather you're not into that, so I understand.
Wytch: "That's a nice characterization of men who want foreign brides. You and Maria Cantwell should go bowling."
ReplyDeleteThanks for your tender concern for my social life, Wytch. I am touched. Now, based on what I've read and seen, most men who want foreign brides because they are foreign are in their forties and up. Most brides are in their twenties. Beauty is, of course, a subjective issue, but in all the photographs I've seen, the men look old, fat, greasy and just plain repulsive. Next to their wives especially, the contrast is stunning. That, however, wasn't even the point of my statement, which you ripped out of context. The point here is, that these men are told -- falsely -- that women in a certain country will marry ANYONE who thinks they look hot in a two-piece and don't care about their prospective husbands' age, looks or utter lack of familiarity with (or even interest in) her language and culture. The brokers tell prospective clientele that these supposedly "successful" and "stable" women, with educations, well-paid jobs and even businesses, as well as families that they care about are ready to just drop everything and move to another continent in order to wait on a much older, bitter, unattractive man who in no way, shape or form makes for an understanding or supportive companion. And that is simply a lie. "Foreign" is not some magical culture in which women live to serve men. Women in Asia and Eastern Europe want husbands who care about and understand them, who are reasonably attractive and share enough of a background with them to make a meaningful two-way companionship possible. Any broker who tells you otherwise is selling you a bridge in Brooklyn.
"People living everywhere should have the right to choose whom they marry without government interference."
Um, no. Since the government is the entity that actually confers marital status on you as well bestows certain benefits on you on the basis of your marital status, the government gets to impose conditions. I'm sure it's a total shock to you, but even without IMBRA, you DON'T have an unfettered right to marry whomever you want. You can't marry a child. You can't marry a close relative. You can't marry someone who's already married, or if you yourself are married to someone else.
You can't marry on the basis of a misrepresentation, either. You are actually required to disclose to your perspective wife if you are insolvent, whether you've ever been bankrupt, if you have criminal convictions (ESPECIALLY for domestic violence, child abuse or sexual assault), if you have a mental illness or a communicable disease, any extreme beliefs that would make a difference to her in making a decision on whether to marry you, whether you are infertile (if you know), and if you have any children. Concealing any of those facts, and especially lying about them, can be grounds for an annulment on the basis of fraud. So yeah, the government actually limits who you can and can't marry, and dictates plenty on what you may or may not say to your bride about yourself.
IMBRA does not prevent men from marrying foreign women. It merely requires disclosure that you are already required to make anyway under state law. And it prevents husbands and brokers from telling foreign women that their American husbands have the power to put them in jail or have them deported -- which is a lie, anyway. You have a problem with a law that prevents lying?
trip said
ReplyDelete"Certainly, I wish you found me cute. But I have a penis and I gather you're not into that, so I understand."
All snarkiness aside...I've been reading you (and consequently addressing you) as a woman.....sorry 'bout that
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ReplyDeleteAs a man whose fiancee is Japanese, I can attest to the fact that everything these guys say about Asian women is pretty much wrong.
ReplyDeleteMy fiancee is, yes, in some ways a stereotypical giggly little Japanese woman. Even though she's 33, most people I introduce her to think she is ten years younger.
On the other hand, she is a beer-swilling, hard-working, slob. Sure, she loves to cook, and she likes laundry, but she's terrible at keeping her apartment clean, she drinks no less than two beers each night, and she practically runs a radio station by herself. On top of that, she used to be a farmer.
The thing is, I don't really know how to answer the stereotypes. A lot of things we say about the Japanese are true - yet, at the same time, Japanese women are FAR freer to act "manly" than women in America are. Japanese women play drums, do martial arts, build things, study languages, and travel alone to other countries.
For example, I knew a woman who owned a restaurant. Her husband worked just as hard as she did, but he gambled money away. She was the one supporting both her husband and her son; on top of that, when she was younger, she BUILT HER OWN HOUSE with her own two hands. Japan is FULL of women who seem demure and petite on the surface, but deep down, they are tough as nails.
Furthermore, I spent four years in Micronesia - many islands in Micronesia have matriarchal cultures where the women wield a lot of traditional power. On other islands, women are oppressed by lazy men who gamble and drink their money away - and those women support their entire communities; whole islands are kept afloat solely by the efforts of women.
And let me tell you something: if any one of those women met an MRA, she would flat-out destroy him. I have never met women more hard-working, more hard-headed, more all-out terrifying than the women I knew in Micronesia. And don't even get me started on Korean women...
When I read an article like this guy wrote, I'm 100% certain that he never spent any time in Asia. Anyone who had actually BEEN to Asia would know how un-fuck-with-able Asian women actually are. These guys are so pathetic, living in their own little delusional dreamworlds. I'd really love to introduce one of these assholes to a Chamorro woman. They wouldn't last ten seconds.