tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post5470538823046383263..comments2023-10-12T02:29:10.937-05:00Comments on the we hunted the mammoth (formerly man boobz) blogger archive: The Cupcake Files, Part Two: NiceGuys EditionAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00569290850910434331noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-81507292272749340852011-02-10T09:31:51.590-06:002011-02-10T09:31:51.590-06:00To clarify: If a man doesn't stay up to date w...To clarify: If a man doesn't stay up to date with <i>all</i> strictures and norms on manliness, he's toast. With men and society as much as with women.pwlsaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15301642133484044429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-35272366190431621742011-02-10T09:29:28.060-06:002011-02-10T09:29:28.060-06:00Some Man Going Tantrummy Over Women wrote:
"...Some Man Going Tantrummy Over Women wrote: <br />"You can have all the discussions you want, but Cupcake has the unalienable right to Change Her Mind, at any time, for any reason or none.<br /><br />Social convention, the divorce courts, a tradition of chivalry, and Cupcake's control of the nookie faucet all conspire such that if you don't meet her demands, as they change and evolve, you're fucking toast, Jack."<br /><br />So much transference you could cut it with a knife. Think Germany 1940: "Waa! Holland hit me first!"<br /><br />Transference from where? From society in general. Marketing, media, men's socialization <i>and</i> women's. <br /><br />"Cupcake" is a stand-in for forces one doesn't dare speak out against (other men) and forces one is unaware of at all (the media...you're soaking in it).pwlsaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15301642133484044429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-42408931389023642642011-02-08T11:33:21.661-06:002011-02-08T11:33:21.661-06:00I could provide a truckload of evidence, but what ...<i>I could provide a truckload of evidence, but what does it do any good if you would be dismissive of all of it? </i><br /><br />"I COULD show you some evidence, but I won't, cuz you'll just laugh!!"<br /><br />Contrast Wytch's attitude to what just happened: that is, evidence for patriarchal enforcement of curtailed opportunities for women was demanded, and ample evidence was provided. It was then dismissed, without any content-based critique, by those who demanded it. <br /><br />Talk about projection.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-56006256069346924012011-02-08T01:19:34.489-06:002011-02-08T01:19:34.489-06:00Wytch
Cupcake why are you so sensitive?
Are you...Wytch<br /><br />Cupcake why are you so sensitive? <br /><br />Are your hormones acting up?Kavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08392976500592249590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-69819200162732267932011-02-08T00:22:49.186-06:002011-02-08T00:22:49.186-06:00"I've said it before, and I'll say it..."I've said it before, and I'll say it again; ultimately feminism is female supremacy, a struggle for control and power that doesn't pay any heed for trampling men underfoot. More than quite a few feminists either secretly enjoy this or publicly revel in it. All justifying it with little or no guilt."<br /><br />[citation needed]Captain Bathrobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09973484859938392410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-22481997134168871282011-02-08T00:19:44.869-06:002011-02-08T00:19:44.869-06:00That's my point which you are borrowing---you ...<i>That's my point which you are borrowing---you don't have an argument yourself and you are being deflective, with a personal attack snuck in. You are employing an appeal to hypocrisy.</i><br /><br />Never said that I had an argument--what I said was that <i>you</i> had no argument. Your response was the usual "but, but...feminists!" twaddle that you and your MRA friends believe passes for actual reasoned discourse. As for the alleged personal attack, well, if the shoe fits...<br /><br /><i>Nice try---keep it up, and I'll be through with you. If you follow any of my posts, you will realize I have little patience with those I can't take seriously. </i><br /><br />Well, now, that would just break my lil' ol' heart, now wouldn't it? I think you take <i>yourself</i> entirely too seriously, my dear wytch.Captain Bathrobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09973484859938392410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-91035132729504600042011-02-07T22:38:01.933-06:002011-02-07T22:38:01.933-06:00Gerda Lerner is amazing. That's all, carry on...Gerda Lerner is amazing. That's all, carry on.Hide and Seekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05281152311161690441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-11298692092885095882011-02-07T14:35:51.955-06:002011-02-07T14:35:51.955-06:00"BTW, I wasn't speaking to you at first, ..."BTW, I wasn't speaking to you at first, it was Marissa, instead. Stop being so crass. "<br /><br />Crass is defined at dictionary.reference com as, "without refinement, delicacy, or sensitivity; gross; obtuse; stupid: crass commercialism; a crass misrepresentation of the facts."<br /><br />What is so insensitive, indelicate or unrefined about participating in a blog discussion? Why would one doing so be considered gross, obtuse, or stupid? <br /><br />Surely you don't think that only the person you've addressed has the right to respond to you. If you do I would suggest you are the one being obtuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-50623470294687063932011-02-07T11:44:43.205-06:002011-02-07T11:44:43.205-06:00@wytch
> I could provide a truckload of eviden...@wytch<br /><br />> I could provide a truckload of evidence<br /><br />Let's hear some, then.<br /><br />Instant zero if you trot out the Forced Labor Convention of 1930.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00106218860128550444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-39923556103388569582011-02-07T07:45:17.660-06:002011-02-07T07:45:17.660-06:00"Hell, as much I'm critical of feminism, ...<i>"Hell, as much I'm critical of feminism, even *I* don't couple all feminists with extreme factions and individuals..."</i><br /><br /><i>"I've said it before, and I'll say it again; ultimately feminism is female supremacy, a struggle for control and power that doesn't pay any heed for trampling men underfoot."</i><br /><br />Um.Lucyrainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09540275257179916601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-3377967214467396892011-02-07T07:05:13.850-06:002011-02-07T07:05:13.850-06:00"Just like there are female supremacists arou..."Just like there are female supremacists around or females who believe men's rights should be taken away."---Nick<br /><br />This is one of the major things I'm against completely. I honestly think the majority of the pro-feminists here believe they are for "equality" and they are not, have hidden agendas, kow tow the party line at the end of the day, or simply do not care whether men have rights or not as long as they get their way. Period. <br /><br />I've said it before, and I'll say it again; ultimately feminism is female supremacy, a struggle for control and power that doesn't pay any heed for trampling men underfoot. More than quite a few feminists either secretly enjoy this or publicly revel in it. All justifying it with little or no guilt. <br /><br />It's downright disturbing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-36870479550725512042011-02-07T06:52:25.879-06:002011-02-07T06:52:25.879-06:00" . . . because generally speaking I think it..." . . . because generally speaking I think it's a good idea for people to actually know a little bit about something before writing about it."---David<br /><br />Obviously, you don't know enough about MGTOW. You base your accusations and ridicule on soundbites and resentful remarks, rather than the underlying rational(s) for it. You also associate crazed killers or dregs with it by implication, even if you claim you don't overtly (ref. "Misogyny Has Consequences"). Hell, as much I'm critical of feminism, even *I* don't couple all feminists with extreme factions and individuals (Dworkin, Solanas, Bishop, etc.).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-24193425964372195412011-02-07T06:44:18.072-06:002011-02-07T06:44:18.072-06:00"Bald assertions based on no evidence do not ..."Bald assertions based on no evidence do not constitute an argument."---CB<br /><br />I could provide a truckload of evidence, but what does it do any good if you would be dismissive of all of it? It's pointless if you can't even accept any basic premise as viable.<br /><br />BTW, I wasn't speaking to you at first, it was Marissa, instead. Stop being so crass.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-68296936823313049162011-02-07T06:41:00.887-06:002011-02-07T06:41:00.887-06:00"Unless you are still in grade school, saying..."Unless you are still in grade school, saying "I know you are, but what am I?" also fails to constitute an argument."---CB<br /><br />That's my point which you are borrowing---you don't have an argument yourself and you are being deflective, with a personal attack snuck in. You are employing an appeal to hypocrisy.<br /><br />Nice try---keep it up, and I'll be through with you. If you follow any of my posts, you will realize I have little patience with those I can't take seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-11579441842353384062011-02-07T00:33:37.566-06:002011-02-07T00:33:37.566-06:00So you are saying that post conquest rape never oc...So you are saying that post conquest rape never occurred? That fathers from the bottom to the top of society did not dispose of their daughters as they wished? That a woman was never stoned for adultry by a town hellbent on punishing wayward women? That the lack of access to education was not an issue as even the parish priest or local school gladly would have welcomed girls but for those mean ol' men in government? <br /><br /><br /><br />Nope, it was just a couple of men who did this. Every other man would have treated all women with kindness and respect but for those awful awful powerful men in government. Are you really that dumb Nick? Or just that desperate to be blind so your worldview is not shattered?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-86720784240043786572011-02-06T23:19:59.866-06:002011-02-06T23:19:59.866-06:00Kave
Firstly I am not involved with the MRA movem...Kave<br /><br />Firstly I am not involved with the MRA movement but I know for a fact that the majority of MRAs don't want to limit women's choices.<br /><br />There are shock jocks who hang around MRA sites or men who simply believe in male supremacy. Just like there are female supremacists around or females who believe men's rights should be taken away.<br /><br />It’s a two way street.<br /><br />But besides, how society was generations ago, this was not the cause or fault of men who were out of the big boys club (government power)<br /><br />But if anyone was to say that more than a small subset of women are evil oppressors, it’s likely to be laughed at by feminists or made out to be a big misunderstanding. But what else is new?nicko81mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01019892922597391646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-9552379345938793602011-02-06T23:01:05.224-06:002011-02-06T23:01:05.224-06:00nick
Every mra I have ever read wants to dial bac...nick<br /><br />Every mra I have ever read wants to dial back time to limit women's choices. <br />So much for your small subset of big boys. <br /><br />Then of course you accuse feminists of having feeble minds. Great logical thinking there.Kavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08392976500592249590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-80634404970397182702011-02-06T22:53:12.487-06:002011-02-06T22:53:12.487-06:00If you want to critique feminists, it would probab...<i>If you want to critique feminists, it would probably be a good idea for you to learn a tiny bit about feminism. That will require some actual reading on your part, including actually reading some feminist writing. </i><br /><br />QFTCaptain Bathrobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09973484859938392410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-26055426870839908252011-02-06T22:51:58.201-06:002011-02-06T22:51:58.201-06:00"Bald assertions based on no evidence do not ...<i>"Bald assertions based on no evidence do not constitute an argument."----CB<br /><br />Why don't you tell your fellow feminists that? </i><br /><br />Unless you are still in grade school, saying "I know you are, but what am I?" also fails to constitute an argument.Captain Bathrobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09973484859938392410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-32436979081845208332011-02-06T22:05:12.463-06:002011-02-06T22:05:12.463-06:00Elizabeth
What your little feminist feeble mind ...Elizabeth <br /><br />What your little feminist feeble mind can't understand is that 99 percent of men in society didn't have a choice neither. It was not their choice to limit women's choices. It was the big boys who had control of society who made things how they were.<br /><br />It's totally sexist and idiotic to blame a whole gender for all the problems women had. As it is to say that all or most men were controlling chauvinists who dominated women's every move in the household.<br /><br />Can you please stop discriminating my gender?nicko81mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01019892922597391646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-65150382710687887682011-02-06T21:40:12.572-06:002011-02-06T21:40:12.572-06:00I find it amazing that Nick thinks that oppression...I find it amazing that Nick thinks that oppression of women was done by a tiny subsection of men throughout history.<br /><br />He is happy to ignore the vast amount of non-ideological first, second and third source material on the issue. Multiple sources were provided beyond David's favorite and yet to Nick they show that it was not an issue of women being oppressed as a systematic basis. And that somehow it was a group of men not related to any of the rest of humanity-what little harm done to women was done by some aberration rather then the entire society.<br /><br />Elizabeth I's statement of having the heart and stomach of a king had to be said because she was truly thought of lessor simply because of her sex even though there was abundant evidence to the contrary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-81310549792748474762011-02-06T21:05:18.926-06:002011-02-06T21:05:18.926-06:00David, I just find it laughable how feminists clai...David, I just find it laughable how feminists claim patriarchy when it was just a small subset of men in government (who have nothing to do with the rest of men) that limited women's choices. As if men had much more of a choice when it came to lifestyle.<br /><br />Secondly, it's ludicrous to say that all husbands or most husbands were patriarchal/controlling/domineering within marriage or towards women in general.nicko81mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01019892922597391646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-28976328671540588322011-02-06T20:55:34.485-06:002011-02-06T20:55:34.485-06:00"But seriously, go to any major feminist blog..."But seriously, go to any major feminist blog (Feministing, Feministe, Pandagon, and use their searches to look up "masculinity". Or search the phrase "patriarchy hurts men too.""---Marissa<br /><br />I have, and I realize how embittered, hypocritical, and angry Jessica Valenti, Amanda Marcotte, and the rest of them typically are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-79008338438814585092011-02-06T20:41:04.764-06:002011-02-06T20:41:04.764-06:00nick, there is no magic paragraph that somehow sum...nick, there is no magic paragraph that somehow sums up everything there is to know about patriarchy, and cites all the evidence there is for it. If you want to discuss patriarchy, and in particular how feminists understand patriarchy, you will probably have to do some reading. <br /><br />If you don't want to do that reading, that is of course your right. But if you don't, then you probably shouldn't go around making assumptions about what feminists believe about patriarchy, since you clearly know nothing about the subject. <br /><br />When I critique, for example, MGTOW, I don't just make up shit about them; I actually read what MGTOW have to say, and react to that. (And I don't mean just the particular stuff I write about here; I've done plenty of reading beyond that, because generally speaking I think it's a good idea for people to actually know a little bit about something before writing about it. <br /><br />If you want to critique feminists, it would probably be a good idea for you to learn a tiny bit about feminism. That will require some actual reading on your part, including actually reading some feminist writing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00569290850910434331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9111611851606292564.post-49307157623847436622011-02-06T18:41:28.052-06:002011-02-06T18:41:28.052-06:00Yes Kave of course, its evidence to cite a web pag...Yes Kave of course, its evidence to cite a web page about someone who defines their theory on patriarchy.<br /><br />It's not that I am not taking this topic seriously, I am just not taking the so called evidence seriously.<br /><br />As I said, instead of expecting me to do a large amount of time consuming reading, why not point out the exact places in these web pages that points to concrete solid evidence instead of a person just making assumptions on a web page about patriarchy?nicko81mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01019892922597391646noreply@blogger.com